Good afternoon,
Please, I would like to ask if irrigation Land F/X can work perfectly with Revit?
In our company, we are considering moving to Revit instead of Autocad, so will it be easy in regard with the irrigation design as in Land F/X..
looking to hear your experiences.
Thanks in Advance,
Nibal
Accepted Answer
Nibal,
Irrigation will never work perfectly in Revit, primarily due to the fact that there are no Irrigation object types in Revit. So the only way to do an irrigation plan there is by drawing Model lines.
We are working on an initial Irrigation plugin for Revit, that will start with the ability to export the mainline placement from CAD, and import them as Model lines into Revit. This will be released later this year.
The ideal setup would be to use Revit to export a revised base xref as needed, and still do the design in CAD.
--J
Accepted Answer
Nibal,
Irrigation will never work perfectly in Revit, primarily due to the fact that there are no Irrigation object types in Revit. So the only way to do an irrigation plan there is by drawing Model lines.
We are working on an initial Irrigation plugin for Revit, that will start with the ability to export the mainline placement from CAD, and import them as Model lines into Revit. This will be released later this year.
The ideal setup would be to use Revit to export a revised base xref as needed, and still do the design in CAD.
--J
Nibal,
We were just looking at Revit yesterday and discussing how to handle Valves.
The good news, is that the ability to send the Mainline to Revit is working great, and will be released later this year. The other news, however, is that we are really not sure how to handle Valves, Sprinklers, and everything else. In fact even the Mainline has us wondering, if designers are expecting Plumbing objects to be used to assemble the actual pipe. We are still looking for any input from designers who can give us some guidance on what they are expecting from Revit.
--J
We were just looking at Revit yesterday and discussing how to handle Valves.
The good news, is that the ability to send the Mainline to Revit is working great, and will be released later this year. The other news, however, is that we are really not sure how to handle Valves, Sprinklers, and everything else. In fact even the Mainline has us wondering, if designers are expecting Plumbing objects to be used to assemble the actual pipe. We are still looking for any input from designers who can give us some guidance on what they are expecting from Revit.
--J
J/Nibal,
I'm late to the conversation but I am curious as to where things are at with irrigation in Revit.
J - Per your previous response to Nibal, as an irrigation designer, what I would hope the revit would do is build a 3D model, similar to the what the planting is, that would show the varying depths of the pipes, valves, and heads. In my head it would be cool if when you went to the 3D view it showed the valve and head rather than the symbol (but I realize that would be really out there
). I ask because I have some clients that are wanting us to put things in Navisworks (I have never used Navisworks) but if we were designing in 3D in revit already then why use Navisworks.
Cheers!
Benji
I'm late to the conversation but I am curious as to where things are at with irrigation in Revit.
J - Per your previous response to Nibal, as an irrigation designer, what I would hope the revit would do is build a 3D model, similar to the what the planting is, that would show the varying depths of the pipes, valves, and heads. In my head it would be cool if when you went to the 3D view it showed the valve and head rather than the symbol (but I realize that would be really out there
). I ask because I have some clients that are wanting us to put things in Navisworks (I have never used Navisworks) but if we were designing in 3D in revit already then why use Navisworks.Cheers!
Benji
Benji,
Yes, having every single sprinkler represented in 3D in Revit would be "out there", or better put, completely bonkers. There is just absolutely no reason to do that, especially as there is no object type for any of this.
As for Navisworks, that can import DWG files! So there is no reason to send a design to Revit first in order to use Navisworks.
The current status of our Revit Irrigation development is as follows:
- Send the mainline design from CAD to the cloud
- in Revit, import the mainline as Railing objects, at the desired depth below grade
- Possibly as well, place Valve Boxes for each valve (this of course is just as troublesome as it might be helpful - valves are commonly not placed where they will be located, and multiple valves can fit in one box, so how is the system to decide where to put the box and how many to place?)
So overall, we are currently focused only on placing the Mainline as sub-grade Railing. Which also speaks to just how insanely limiting and unusable Revit is for irrigation. It merits repeating again and again, and recanted back to any consultants who ask you to "put the irrigation into the 3D model".
Hopefully as Autodesk can open up the object types in Revit to better encompass Irrigation, we are poised and ready to do something.
--J
Yes, having every single sprinkler represented in 3D in Revit would be "out there", or better put, completely bonkers. There is just absolutely no reason to do that, especially as there is no object type for any of this.
As for Navisworks, that can import DWG files! So there is no reason to send a design to Revit first in order to use Navisworks.
The current status of our Revit Irrigation development is as follows:
- Send the mainline design from CAD to the cloud
- in Revit, import the mainline as Railing objects, at the desired depth below grade
- Possibly as well, place Valve Boxes for each valve (this of course is just as troublesome as it might be helpful - valves are commonly not placed where they will be located, and multiple valves can fit in one box, so how is the system to decide where to put the box and how many to place?)
So overall, we are currently focused only on placing the Mainline as sub-grade Railing. Which also speaks to just how insanely limiting and unusable Revit is for irrigation. It merits repeating again and again, and recanted back to any consultants who ask you to "put the irrigation into the 3D model".
Hopefully as Autodesk can open up the object types in Revit to better encompass Irrigation, we are poised and ready to do something.
--J
Haha! Bonkers... That is a better way to put it. But it would be soooo cool! Maybe someday we'll be doing irrigation design in a virtual hologram to make Iron Man both jealous and proud!
Thanks for the response and input!
Cheers!
Benji
Thanks for the response and input!
Cheers!
Benji
Benji,
Yes, having every single sprinkler represented in 3D in Revit would be "out there", or better put, completely bonkers. There is just absolutely no reason to do that, especially as there is no object type for any of this.
As for Navisworks, that can import DWG files! So there is no reason to send a design to Revit first in order to use Navisworks.
The current status of our Revit Irrigation development is as follows:
- Send the mainline design from CAD to the cloud
- in Revit, import the mainline as Railing objects, at the desired depth below grade
- Possibly as well, place Valve Boxes for each valve (this of course is just as troublesome as it might be helpful - valves are commonly not placed where they will be located, and multiple valves can fit in one box, so how is the system to decide where to put the box and how many to place?)
So overall, we are currently focused only on placing the Mainline as sub-grade Railing. Which also speaks to just how insanely limiting and unusable Revit is for irrigation. It merits repeating again and again, and recanted back to any consultants who ask you to "put the irrigation into the 3D model".
Hopefully as Autodesk can open up the object types in Revit to better encompass Irrigation, we are poised and ready to do something.
--J
Is there a video demonstrating this process or is there someone we can talk to about using Revit for irrigation plans? Has there been any updates on the status of the plug-in for Revit? We are currently discussing how to use Revit to make our irrigation plans and every Google search has this post at the top. Is there a beta program for the irrigation plan tool? Thanks
Eric,
You're welcome to shoot us an email and let us know what you are after, and even schedule a chat with us.
It does bear repeating though, that the current state of Revit makes it impossible to do an entire irrigation plan from scratch. Even if we did try to bring some level of rudimentary tools, none of it would be utilizing BIM objects, and would simply be model lines, and generic site objects. The schedule would have to be entirely custom, so it wouldn't be a Revit schedule. And the lack of proper mouse/keyboard input methods in the API means no keyboard commands during the design.
So I would very much like to know what people are expecting. As I said previously, we were able to address one very narrow use case, just to bring over the mainline from a design done in CAD. But if the end result cannot be done with BIM objects, I certainly don't see the rationale to draw a bunch of model lines in Revit. For now, the far better path will be to use Revit just to kick out the site xref to CAD, where the irrigation plan can be completed, and then brought back into Revit as a PDF.
We did get Toposolids this year, so maybe Autodesk will add some Irrigation objects types next year and we can get going.
--J
You're welcome to shoot us an email and let us know what you are after, and even schedule a chat with us.
It does bear repeating though, that the current state of Revit makes it impossible to do an entire irrigation plan from scratch. Even if we did try to bring some level of rudimentary tools, none of it would be utilizing BIM objects, and would simply be model lines, and generic site objects. The schedule would have to be entirely custom, so it wouldn't be a Revit schedule. And the lack of proper mouse/keyboard input methods in the API means no keyboard commands during the design.
So I would very much like to know what people are expecting. As I said previously, we were able to address one very narrow use case, just to bring over the mainline from a design done in CAD. But if the end result cannot be done with BIM objects, I certainly don't see the rationale to draw a bunch of model lines in Revit. For now, the far better path will be to use Revit just to kick out the site xref to CAD, where the irrigation plan can be completed, and then brought back into Revit as a PDF.
We did get Toposolids this year, so maybe Autodesk will add some Irrigation objects types next year and we can get going.
--J
I would happily schedule a chat with you and my team to discuss what we are after. I am the BIM Manager for my office, so I am just the messenger. Irrigation plans hinder Landscape from using Revit for 100% of their workflow in my office. We were excited to see you were working on a plug-in for irrigation in Revit, but Autodesk still hasn't made it possible. We currently use the same workflow you suggested, and it hasn't been ideal. We are evaluating ways to make irrigation plans in Revit, and maybe Rhino.Inside could get us better results.
Thanks!
Thanks!
Eric,
You can call or email to schedule a call.
I'd be curious why there is a push to be 100% Revit. I can't imagine the Civil is using Revit? It's even rare that Architects are 100% Revit, they will still routinely bring in PDFs of some details. If you ever do a Skate Park, the bowl design will absolutely not be done in Revit. And for Amusement Parks, the rides are certainly not designed in Revit. You're right that Rhino.Inside offers some interesting potential. But it still means that elements are not BIM objects.
Irrigation plans are drawn diagrammatically. It would be impossible to read an irrigation plan if all pipes were drawn exactly as they were to be installed, for instance with several pipe all sharing the same conduit. So it all comes back to, what is desired? Since the drawn pipe in an irrigation plan doesn't match *exactly* where it is going to be installed, why is there such a push to do the irrigation in Revit? When it also will not be utilizing BIM objects. Oh, and it will also take much longer to do the design. So I continue to struggle to understand what the payoff is.
Rooftop irrigation is the one narrow case where I can clearly see the benefit. Yet even there, I look at what would be required to do an irrigation plan in Revit, compared to using Revit to send an xref to CAD for the irrigation design, and it's like comparing a cup on a string to an iPhone.
--J
You can call or email to schedule a call.
I'd be curious why there is a push to be 100% Revit. I can't imagine the Civil is using Revit? It's even rare that Architects are 100% Revit, they will still routinely bring in PDFs of some details. If you ever do a Skate Park, the bowl design will absolutely not be done in Revit. And for Amusement Parks, the rides are certainly not designed in Revit. You're right that Rhino.Inside offers some interesting potential. But it still means that elements are not BIM objects.
Irrigation plans are drawn diagrammatically. It would be impossible to read an irrigation plan if all pipes were drawn exactly as they were to be installed, for instance with several pipe all sharing the same conduit. So it all comes back to, what is desired? Since the drawn pipe in an irrigation plan doesn't match *exactly* where it is going to be installed, why is there such a push to do the irrigation in Revit? When it also will not be utilizing BIM objects. Oh, and it will also take much longer to do the design. So I continue to struggle to understand what the payoff is.
Rooftop irrigation is the one narrow case where I can clearly see the benefit. Yet even there, I look at what would be required to do an irrigation plan in Revit, compared to using Revit to send an xref to CAD for the irrigation design, and it's like comparing a cup on a string to an iPhone.
--J
The Civil Engineers we work with aren't in Revit; internally, we only have Landscape Architects. We're still working on what we desire from the irrigation plans. These are some great questions and scenarios that I will be asking my team as we perfect the workflow that Revit and AutoCAD allow us to do.
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